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TechCrunch -
1 hours and 50 minutes ago
We’re still going through these recently released YouTube/Viacom
litigation documents,
and it’s becoming clear that we can’t take everything that’s being said by
either party at face value (as if we didn’t know that already). We’ve come across a
good example. In Viacom’s document Statement of Undisputed Facts, it presented the
following seemingly damning passage that indicates that YouTube co-founder Steve Chen was advocating pirating movies (a
quote that’s now appearing in quite a few news articles). But Viacom may be misrepresenting
the evidence. Here’s their version:
In a July 29,2005 email about competing video websites, YouTube co-founder Steve Chen wrote to
YouTube co-founders Chad Hurley and Jawed Karim, “steal it!”, and Chad Hurley
responded: “hmm, steal the movies?”
Steve Chen replìed: “we have to keep in mind that we need to attract traffic.
how much traffic will we get from personal videos? remember, the only reason why our traffic
surged was due to a video of this type. . . . viral videos will tend to be THOSE type of
videos.”
The quote seems to be referring to full-length movies, though viral videos are mentioned
(it’s unclear in this context whether they’re saying movies will go viral, or if
they’re talking about traditionally more viral video clips). As it turns out, it’s
the latter. And they were probably joking about it. Here’s the actual Email thread, in
chronological order:
SUBJECT: Re:http://www.filecabi.net/
Jul 29, 2005 Â 1:05 AM, Steve Chen wrote:
steal it!
Jul 29, 2005 1 :25 AM, Chad Hurley wrote:
hmm, steal the movies?
Jul 29, 2005 1 :33 AM, Steve Chen wrote:
haha ya.
or something.
just something to watch out for. check out their alexa ranking.
-s
Jul 29, 2005 7:45 AM, Chad Hurley wrote:
hmm, i know they are getting a lot of traffic… but it’s because they are a
stupidvideos.com-type of site. they might make enough money to pay hosing bills, but sites like
this and big-boys.com will never go public. I would really like to build something more valuable
and more useful. actually build something that people will talk about and changes the way people
use video on the internet.
Jul 29 2005 6:51 AM, Steve Chen wrote:
right, i understand those goals but, at the same time, we have to keep in mind that we need to
attract traffic. how much traffic will we get from the personal videos? remember, the only reason
why our traffic surged was due to a video of this type.
i’m not really disagreeing with you but i also think we shouldn’t be so high &
mighty and think we’re better than these guys. viral videos will tend to be THOSE type of
videos.
-s
Jul 29 2005 6:56 AM, Steve Chen Wrote:
another thing. still a fundamental difference between us and most of those other sites. we do
have a community and it’s ALL user generated content.
-s
It’s worth pointing out that the subject of the Email thread was
‘http://www.filecabi.net’, and that big-boys.com is now Break.com — it’s pretty clear
that Chen and Hurley are referring to the brief, dumb sort of videos that often go viral as
opposed to full length movies. And, based on the ‘haha’ comment (which is ommitted
from Viacom’s document), Chen and Hurley may have just been joking about stealing any
content at all.
This doesn’t clear YouTube by any means (there are still plenty of other suspect quotes).
 But it casts some doubt on the rest of Viacom’s ‘facts’.
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GigaOM -
4 hours ago
Not so long ago, calling something “Web 2.0″ increased its value. It meant fresh,
new, interactive, responsive. Now, if someone uses that term you know they’re woefully out
of touch.
For me, it’s been a trip to re-adopt my former web beat on GigaOM after spending a few
years writing for our sister site NewTeeVee. I made the leap
to the world of web video in the fall of 2006, when YouTube had just been bought, Facebook had just opened to the general
public, and only a few people cared about a little service called Twittr.
Since then, one thing that’s gone by the wayside is the term “Web 2.0,” which
got its start as a marketing phrase to build a conference around, and spawned both a new class of
companies and sites dedicated to writing about them, such as TechCrunch and Mashable. TechCrunch,
whose original tagline was “tracking Web 2.0,” itself declared the death of the term
in February 2009, citing a perceived drop in the number of pitches mentioning it. Indeed, while
the AJAX-y web services and user-generated content at the core of Web 2.0 haven’t gone
anywhere, now the preferred term seems to be “social media.” Google Trends says that search volume for “social
media” surpassed “Web 2.0″ right in the middle of January this year, though the
new hotness has yet to reach the heights of “Web 2.0″ circa 2007.
Feel free to chalk it up to a matter of trendy semantics, but here are the material differences I
see between these two mini-eras:
Building for the Mainstream
These days, starry-eyed entrepreneurs are building for the mainstream, not just for themselves.
One of the reasons I was happy to leave the GigaOM Web 2.0 beat the first time around was that I
didn’t want to write about yet another social bookmarking service trying to copy the
innovative but narrowly used Delicious (then spelled del.icio.us, which kind of says it all).
Sure, one of the best ways to come up with something truly useful is to build something you
yourself want, like a repository for saving all the web sites you visit — and as Twitter
has proven, niche products can evolve to satisfy the needs of those beyond just early adopters.
But some of the most exciting new services online today are aimed at serving broader interests,
such as the search for deals (Groupon, Gilt Groupe), and procuring real physical products and
human services (Alice.com, Sears’ ServiceLive).
I think MySpace
and Facebook deserve a lot of credit for bringing the Web 2.0 era to the mainstream, helped along
by major portal offerings like Gmail. Those services and products continue to provide value to a
broad audience. On the flip side, startups like Foursquare and the many folks who pitch us on,
say, tweaks to Google Reader aren’t building with Middle America in mind. They may get
there eventually, but not just yet.
All the World’s a Platform
The rise of platforms, app stores and mobile makes web applications better, more accessible and
more useful. Facebook, with its platform launch in 2007, showed the value (and eventually, the
dangers) of building on top of someone else’s pre-existing audience, making use of inherent
viral channels and the continuity of experience provided by a popular platform. The distribution
power of the platform was huge.
Then the iPhone App Store came along, offering far more functionality and exposure to developers
(if they could get through its approval process). On the user side, just about every web app is
better when it rides along in your pocket, ready when you need it. The iPhone and all the
knock-offs and competitive one-ups it has inspired are tremendously popular. And
as a corollary, the benefits of the mobile app platform model is now so obvious that the number
of them grew to 38 from eight in the span of 2009 alone,
according to new research.
The Most Obvious Answer
Of course, the one thing
that affected every business, web or otherwise, was the economic downturn. However, Web 2.0
startups — until of course their funding ran out and/or they had to layoff employees
— seemed woefully out of touch with the rest of the world.
Valleywag, which never missed a chance to declare something dead, might have actually been right
when in it ran
with the headline “It’s the end of Web 2.0 as we know it” in reference to a
carefree music video released by Web 2.0 entrepreneurs cavorting in Cyprus to the tune of
Journey. It was October 2009. Their timing was pretty bad.
Meanwhile, one of the sectors hit hardest by the downturn was the media, which was already being
brought to its knees by its failure to adapt to the web. Now, your Facebook newsfeed really is
your hometown paper (though its investigative reporting skills may be limited to relationship
status changes), and Twitter really is your personal real-time newswire. And accordingly, social
media referrals from sites like Digg and Twitter are increasingly important to media business
models — and sites like Facebook and YouTube are among the most-trafficked,
and therefore most powerful, on the web.
Maybe “social media” just sounds less like a buzzword or a brand name than “Web
2.0,” while at the same time pointing to a sort of social facelift for all content —
a feature that can be included or integrated into everything on the web, rather than being
segmented in its own category. Or perhaps it was the futile attempts to brand disparate things
“Web 3.0” that
made people realize how silly the naming convention was. But “social media” has its
issues, too. As Aliza argued earlier this
month on WebWorkerDaily, many new web tools are just useful, not necessarily social. Perhaps what
was wrong with “Web 2.0″ was that the term implied a fixed version — while
it’s cute, the metaphor of a software upgrade doesn’t carry over very well in
reference to something that changes every day. Innovation on the web is fluid and builds on
itself, and that naming convention just got stale.
Middle photo and post thumbnail courtesy of Flickr user chegs.
Please see the disclosure about Facebook in my
bio.


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Techdirt -
8 hours and 20 minutes ago
I've spent the last few hours going through the motions for summary judgment from both Google and
Viacom in the YouTube case. If you'd like to kill a few hours yourself:
There are few surprises made in the basic arguments by both parties. Viacom claims that
YouTube knew about infringing content and should have taken it down (and that Google knew about
this and then continued with that policy). Google claims that it's clearly protected by the DMCA's
safe harbors. There are some interesting things raised in the filings however:
- Viacom claims that YouTube employees uploaded infringing content themselves, and discussed
this over email -- though, the filings carefully provide only fragments of the emails, which
could easily have been taken out of context. And, even on top of that nowhere does Viacom explain
how YouTube employees could distinguish which content was actually infringing and which was put
up for promotional purposes or what was fair use. This is a major weakness in Viacom's motion.
- Viacom's secondary arguments get weaker as you go down the list. It argues that because
YouTube uses advertising to make money, that shows the company directly profits from
infringement. That argument makes no sense -- because it would effectively wipe out any safe
harbors for any commercial operation, which clearly was not the intent of Congress. Based on
this argument, any ISP that hosts content from a paying customer loses its safe harbors. That's
ridiculous on its face.
- Viacom argues that Google could have blocked uploads with fingerprinting technology it had
licensed, but fails to note the massive weaknesses in those fingerprinting technologies (which we
still see thanks to Google's bad automated takedowns). It tries to bolster this argument by
saying that Google refused to use the fingerprinting on Viacom content unless Viacom
agreed to license its content to YouTube. Perhaps there's more to it than this, but I think
that's also taking Google statements out of context. The way the fingerprinting works is that
Google would need copies of the content to be able to recognize them -- and the only way to do
that is if Viacom licensed works to them.
- Then the arguments get really weak. Viacom says that Google isn't just a secondary infringer,
but a direct infringer, due to the terms of service that say you're granting a license to
YouTube, and because to work, YouTube converts uploaded video to Flash. This is a weird legal
argument that has been rejected before.
- The crux of Viacom's argument rests on trying to break the DMCA safe harbors because Google
and YouTube execs knew that there was a lot of infringing content on the site. But Viacom's
argument breaks down entirely when you realize it doesn't explain how Google could ever make the
actual determination of which videos are infringing. Viacom tries to get around this with some
legal tap dancing, basically saying that it doesn't matter and Google just should have known what
was infringing and what was not. But that makes no sense. Viacom is basically saying Google
should have had a magic wand to figure out what's infringing and make it disappear. That's
impossible. No law could possibly require Google to do the impossible. The fact that some of the
videos Viacom sued over were uploaded by Viacom itself proves this point clearly.
- Viacom argues that because YouTube "licensed" its videos to Apple and Verizon Wireless
phones, it shows that it's more than just a passive service provider. Again, this seems like a
weak overall argument, as what YouTube was doing was licensing access to the videos in a more
convenient format, not claiming control over the videos themselves.
- Viacom's lawyers also have a bit of fun at the fact that some old emails relevant to the case
were deleted, even though it's not that ridiculous that not everyone keeps all their emails. The
motion also mocks Google and YouTube execs for developing "serial amnesia" when presented with
"evidence." But, again, Viacom was asking people to remember specific sentence fragments
(potentially taken out of context) from years-old emails.
- The "big surprise" in the Google motion is that Viacom apparently tried to buy YouTube
itself. While interesting as a historical nugget, I'm not really sure that really helps the case
one way or the other. It doesn't change how Viacom may have viewed YouTube as a platform. The
attempted purchase may just have been a way to try to co-opt it into a limited platform, like
what happened with Napster.
- Google argues that it has gone above and beyond the DMCA's requirements in providing tools to
help copyright holders. Viacom's counter argument, of course, is that those changes are more
recent.
- For every claim made by Viacom that Google/YouTube execs made damning statements, it looks
like Viacom's statements were even worse. For example: During these negotiations [to license
content] Viacom deliberately allowed its content to remain on YouTube, in part because it thought
that "having the content there was valuable in terms of helping the rating of our shows."
Google effectively makes the case that Viacom knew the benefits of having its clips on YouTube,
tried to negotiate with YouTube for a deal, and when Google came into the picture, basically
Viacom just saw it as an easy money grab and massively upped its demands before suing. Google
argues that the mass takedown and subsequent lawsuit was really just a negotiating ploy by Viacom
to get an upper hand in the negotiations to squeeze more money out of Google.
- Amusingly, Viacom notes repeatedly in its own filings that YouTube didn't want to take down
its videos because traffic to YouTube would suffer -- but Google counters by pointing out that it
did take down all of Viacom's 100,000 takedown requests within hours and
traffic to the site did not suffer and, despite Viacom's expectations to the
contrary, traffic to Viacom's own sites did not soar. In other words, despite Viacom's
over-inflated sense of how important Viacom's videos were to YouTube, the actual evidence
suggests that Viacom was very, very wrong.
- Viacom tries to brush off the fact that it uploaded many videos itself, by saying (in a
footnote) that most of those videos were clearly designated as being from Viacom. Google counters
by pointing out that (a) this is not true and (b) Viacom repeatedly disguised who uploaded those
videos on purpose -- even quoting Paramount's SVP of marketing saying that the clips "should
definitely not be associated with the studio -- should appear as if a fan created and posted it."
Among the users who uploaded Viacom clips on behalf of Viacom itself? MMysticalGirl8,
Demansr, tesderiw, GossipGirl40, Snackboard and Keithhn On top of that, they registered with
non Viacom email addresses, and even went to the local Kinkos to avoid uploading from Viacom
directly. How Google was supposed to distinguish those clips from those uploaded by random users
is not explained anywhere by Viacom, which is a hugely damning point against Viacom's case.
- Further damning to Viacom's case -- the fact that Viacom regularly had to backdown on its
takedown notices after it was realized that the takedowns were incorrect. This is a point that
we've made before and is driven home repeatedly in Google's filing. If Viacom itself can't get it
right -- when it holds the copyrights and some of the videos were uploaded by itself -- how the
hell is Google supposed to know which videos are legit and which are not?
- Even more amusing is the part that details how Viacom had incredibly complex and detailed
rules with BayTSP (who monitored YouTube and sent the takedowns) over what should be taken down
and what should be left up. Apparently, those rules changed every few days and the folks
at BayTSP compared them to Crime and Punishment. Again, if Viacom required such a
complex list of rules for its own partner, how could it expect Google to know what to do without
knowing any of that information?
- Google also points out that many of the clips in question have serious questions over whether
or not they could be considered fair use -- and those are questions for a court to determine. It
is both unfair and outside the scope of the law to expect a third party like Google to be able to
make that kind of decision on the fly.
In the end, it will surprise no one that I find Google's arguments significantly more
compelling than Viacom's. The one point on which Viacom is strongest is the emails from the very
early days of YouTube, where the founders and some employees admit that they know there's a fair
amount of infringement on the site, and they debate what to do about it, before taking a fairly
liberal approach -- though, never an approach that removes their safe harbors (Viacom disagrees on
that point). In fact, the weaknesses of Viacom's argument are driven home in that nowhere was it
able to produce a single bit of evidence of YouTube founders/execs being aware of a
specific infringing video. All of the quotes are about general infringement. The lack of a
smoking gun email to the contrary really weakens Viacom's case -- and is a glaring absence in the
motion.
What this comes down to in the end is a basic interpretation of what the DMCA really says and means
with its safe harbor provisions. Viacom's interpretation would effectively gut the entire purpose
of the safe harbor provisions, disqualifying pretty much any commercial entity that allows user
created content from gaining safe harbor protections. Such a reading makes no sense as it would
make the DMCA safe harbors effectively meaningless.
Google's motion, on the other hand, is quite compelling and highlights how even if execs are aware
of general infringement across the site, it was impossible for them to distinguish what was
authorized and what was not, as well as what was fair use and what was not. To require a third
party like Google to make such determinations would effectively gut the ability of pretty much any
user-generated content site to exist -- which, again, would clearly go against Congress'
intentions.
Still, with these sorts of lawsuits, you really never know how things will play out -- and judges
often get blinded by "infringement bad, must punish!" type arguments. Hopefully, in this case,
reason prevails.
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